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Post by JasonB on Jan 29, 2016 2:08:44 GMT
While Gleaner was enjoying success with the Model "A" and later "AII" self propelled combines, other larger farming operations and custom operators were in need of a bigger higher capacity combine to suit their needs. Not wanting to miss an opportunity, Gleaner introduced its biggest conventional combine yet: The Mighty "C" or soon to be known as the "flagship" of the Silver fleet as what Marketing material for the brand promoted it as.
The Model C:
The Gleaner "C" Combine entered production in 1960 starting at Serial #C1001 and ended production in 1963 at Serial #3870 when it was replaced by the "CII" model. The Gleaner "C" was just what the big crop producers were looking for, the "C" Gleaner could handle grain heads from 14 -20 Feet. In 1960, a 20 foot head was a big deal, and custom operators on the wheat harvest liked the increased head size for improving productivity. For the Corn growers, the "C" Gleaner could be equipped with a 4 row corn head. The Bin capacity on the "C" Gleaner was 60 bushels, or a 20 bushel increase over the "A". Like the Gleaner "A", the "C" Gleaner used a RASP Bar Cylinder in which the width of the cylinder was 40 inches. The width of the Straw Walkers were 48 inches, while the length of the Walkers were at 156 inches like the model "A". The big difference between the "A" and "C" Models was the total area and cleaning area. The total area on the "C" Gleaner was 7,056 square inches, while the total cleaning area was: 3,564 square inches. The "C" Gleaner used the AC 6 cylinder/ 262 cubic inch engine and also was belt driven with 3 forward and 1 reverse gear.
The Gleaner CR Rice, CT Track, and CH Hillside combines:
Gleaner first started offering a RICE combine with the Model CR, and CT Tracked machines in 1962. These combines were in production until 1967, when the "FR" Rice Gleaner took its place. Because Rice is a real abrasive crop to harvest, and conditions are really changing, The RICE combines came equipped with a Spike Tooth Cylinder, and had the option of Metal steel tracks for the muddy rice fields, which were standard on the "CT" Gleaner. The "CR" Rice Gleaner was equipped with Rice tires for extra traction in working in challenging conditions. Bin Capacity was 60 bushels but had the option of extensions to increase capacity to 75 bushels. Only a 13 foot finger reel grain head was available for the CR and CT, although they could also run a 4 row corn head, and I am sure others had ran bigger heads on them. A turbo Charged Diesel engine was also an option on the Rice machines to give them more HP while bringing in a challenging crop.
For Hillside Harvesting, Farmers and the dealers in the Pacific Northwest were wanting a bigger combine with more harvesting capacity with the self leveling system, so soon the "CH" Hillside combine was introduced. It was in production from 1963 to 1967, when it was replaced by the "GH" Gleaner. The "CH" Gleaner could handle either a 16 or 18 foot grain head, which increased productivity over the 14 foot head on the "AH". The "CH" had a bin capacity of 75 bushels, and was powered by the same engine as the "C" Gleaner. It is interesting to note all the different combine options that Gleaner had available back in the 50's and 60's.
The Gleaner Model "CII":
Farms were continuing to grow and the demand for bigger combines by the mid 1960's were apparent and custom operators were wanting more capabilities out of the "C" Gleaner. So in 1964, Gleaner introduced the Model "CII" combine with some new improvements to help satisfy their customers. To start with, Gleaner now offered the "CII" combine the options of grain heads in the 12 -24 foot range. With a 24 foot ridged grain head on the front, and an increased bin capacity from 60 to 85 bushels, the CII for a short time was the "Flagship" of the Silver fleet. Gleaner also introduced a 6 row corn head for the "CII" while keeping the 4 row head as an option. Total area in the CII Gleaner was at 7,344 square inches while Total Cleaning area was 3,564 square inches. The "CII" Gleaner was powered by an A-C 6 cylinder/262 cubic inch engine that put out 93 HP. The transmission and drive was the same as the previous "C" Model. An optional Factory cab was also available for the "CII" Gleaner to protect the operator from the elements and dust. The "CII" Gleaner ended production in 1967 and as its time as the "flagship" of the line. Gleaner was ready with an even bigger combine in 1968 to replace the "CII", and that model would become known as the "G".
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Post by samuelh on Jan 30, 2016 0:42:20 GMT
The C II is one of my favorites. As it had the shape of the older Gleaners that I love. Since it shares the same styling as the E. I never saw one in my area, closest I have is the baby E.
To this day, I still think the E and C II was one of best looking of the Gleaners.
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Post by JasonB on Jan 30, 2016 12:48:21 GMT
The CII was Gleaner's biggest combine for a short time, and what amazes me was its ability to run a 6 row corn head and a grain head up to 24 feet. Then again yields were much lower back in the 60's. However a 6 row corn head and a 24 foot Ridged grain head would have been a huge deal for the custom harvester.
Best thing about combines back then, is a CII" could be loaded onto the back of a flatbed Straight truck, and hauled down the road with a 13 foot header still attached to the combine. Bet Custom Harvesters liked that, no down time hooking up the heads when you got to the field. You would not be able to do that today!
Jason
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Post by samuelh on Jan 30, 2016 16:03:10 GMT
I remember seeing pics of them on trucks like that. The header would stick over the truck cab on some of them. During that time, they had the cabs able to tilt so they could make clearance to haul them easier.
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Post by JasonB on Jan 30, 2016 16:28:59 GMT
Yeah, I have an old Gleaner promotional film that I bought years ago that showed a truck not bigger then an F4 or F550 Ford today that had a Gleaner A or C loaded on the back with the grain head on the combine still. That was pretty impressive to see. Wish I could have been around to see them load and unload the combine off the truck with the header on. Also saw in the same video, a clip of 28 Gleaner Model "A" or C combines cutting wheat in Texas I believe. Beautiful site to see that may Gleaners in one field!. Ironically today 5 or 6 Gleaner S98's with 40 foot draper heads would easily out cut the amount of wheat in a day as those 28 Gleaner A or C's did. My how times have changed.
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Post by samuelh on Jan 30, 2016 17:46:11 GMT
It would been something if they put a Diesel on the C II. I'm sure that would really up the capacity of the combine. As it would have more torque and easier on fuel. At that time, John Deere was offering Diesels on theirs. It would really up the game for Gleaner.
That would be a neat project to play around with. Convert a C II into a Diesel.
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Post by JasonB on Jan 30, 2016 23:53:30 GMT
I am sure somebody has converted a CII Gleaner to Diesel at some point. Biggest reason I love reading Heritage Iron Magazine because of all the interesting topics covered in that magazine, and it covers the 1960-1990 period which is my favourite Equipment era. Actually like Heritage Iron better then I do Toy Farmer.
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Post by Hershy on Feb 3, 2016 3:01:53 GMT
My Dad took his "C" on the harvest run in the late 60s with a neighbor who had 2 "CII"s. Dad had a 16 foot header where the neighbor had 18 foot headers. One big advantage they saw in the Gleaners was the quick attach header allowing them to unhook onto a small trailer for transport and load the combine on the truck. The neighbor had been running 82 Masseys with 14 foot headers and hauling them on the trucks with headers attached. He was anxious to get away from that setup.
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Post by JasonB on Feb 3, 2016 12:35:29 GMT
Hershy, Thanks for sharing your story about your dad's C Gleaner going on the harvest run with his neighbour's CII's. Was your Dad's "C" an open station Gleaner or did he have a cab on it? What about the CII's? AC had the optional cabs for them, but not sure if custom operators took full advantage of the cab or not at that time.
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Post by samuelh on Feb 3, 2016 13:17:09 GMT
Nice to meet a person who been around the C and C-IIs. Those to me are among my favorites. I never been around them, but I love that styling. How much grain could be cut at a time? Did you harvest corn too?
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Post by JasonB on Feb 3, 2016 14:01:31 GMT
Yeah it would be interesting to know how many acres an hour or in a real good day you could harvest with a C or CII combine? This would be for both wheat/ Corn/ and beans.
A 16 Foot and 18 Foot heads were big heads back in the day when the "C" and "CII" Gleaners were in the fields. Anyone run Milo through a C or CII?
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Post by Hershy on Feb 4, 2016 12:37:45 GMT
Dad's C was bought used and had an aftermarket cab on it. The CIIs were new, one with a factory cab and one open station but the open station was soon fitted with an aftermarket cab that came from a relative. The CIIs had water coolers but the C only had a blower so the doors and windows were open unless the wind was in the wrong direction, then they were opened at the other end of the field.
In wheat we figured about 2 or 3 acres per hour so depending on a late start with a 10 hour day or a good day with 15+ hours running would have 20 to 40 acres. Seems like 25 to 30 was a good day. In the 60s farmers were starting to use fertilizer on the old varieties of wheat that tended to grow more straw than grain. I remember running in wheat that was 5 foot tall and laying down where we would have to clutch the machine. Those were probably less than 10 acre days. The next generation of Gleaners, G and F, handled the straw much better.
Being in Kansas we did harvest milo with them. As I remember the first time I operated a combine by myself we were harvesting milo. I was in 7th grade and dad shut us down about dark because I had school the next day, I was not happy. We never ran corn with his C.
Dad's C is still sitting in the pasture at home. After he was gone mom wanted the place cleaned up but I talked her into keep the C. It is in pretty sad shape though.
Another interesting fact about the C and CIIs is that the engines ran on LP. It was a little hassle to fill them but they ran cheaper and cleaner than gasoline.
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Post by samuelh on Feb 4, 2016 13:14:07 GMT
Thanks for those answers. Glad you can still see the old combine. I heard of some running on LP, but that is rare. Most farmers in my area ran Kerosene, Gas, or Diesel. As LP wasn't common in my area.
I never saw milo in my area. Is it rough on a combine? I heard it is. I know corn is rough on one.
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Post by JasonB on Feb 4, 2016 14:42:58 GMT
Hershy, Thanks for telling us about the "C" Gleaner, since it was way before my time its nice to hear from someone who ran a Gleaner C when practically new. LP gas would definitely have been a rare option on combines. Did your dad run any other Gleaners after the "C" combine? Or did he switch brands or had it custom harvested in later years?
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Post by Hershy on Feb 5, 2016 1:42:18 GMT
Dad bought a G in later years and we ran it with the C although at that time we only harvested around home and not on the harvest run. Then after he retired and only harvested his own grain he bought an F. Of the three I enjoyed running the F the most but maybe that was because it had a real working A/C and we weren't under the pressure of getting someone else grain in.
I don't think milo was particularly hard on a machine since the berries were about the size of wheat. The dust was very itchy. We had to have special sickle guard extensions to harvest the heads or many would have fallen off the header as they were cut off.
Also Heston made an attachment that would replace the reel on a combine for harvesting milo. They looked like small corn heads but the sickle stayed on the machine to cut off the stalk. They called them Head Hunters and worked good but they took some maintenance to keep running. One year we had an early snow storm before the milo was harvested so it lodged pretty bad. Dad bought some Head Hunters that we ran all winter picking up the milo then did some custom work. The grain was damaged but we got it.
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