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Post by JasonB on Feb 7, 2016 3:04:16 GMT
Hi
Just wondering who your local Gleaner dealers were? and if they are still in business today?
My Local dealership, Hyde Brothers Farm Equipment LTD started out as an Allis Chalmers dealer in 1939 and took on the Gleaner combine line after AC bought Gleaner in the 1950's. Today they are still in Business as a Massey Ferguson /Gleaner/ Kubota and Versatile dealer along with several short line brands. Local dealer sold a lot of K2, F2, and L2 & L3 Gleaners back in the day when New. The N series Gleaners really hurt sales, and a bunch of customers jumped ship to the other brands. They did sell a fair amount of R42's, R52's and a few R62 Gleaner's in the 1990's. The biggest Gleaner Rotary combine they have sold was 1 Gleaner R75 back in 2008. Its the only time I have seen an R75 on their lot. They did sell 1 new Gleaner C62 combine back in 1998 or 1999. I remember it being a big combine.
The R55 Gleaner was also a popular seller for the dealer, they sold a few, but it was unfortunate when Gleaner dropped the R55 combine. They have sold a few R65's, 1 R66 Gleaner, 1 A76 Gleaner, and a couple of S67 Gleaners in recent years. Only S8 Gleaner the dealer has had lately was 1 S68 Gleaner in the carbon grey color scheme. They have it sold, but have 2 S67 Gleaners and an R66 Gleaner on the lot right now. Majority of guys are either RED or Green around here.
Know of another dealership about 40 minutes west of me, that was originally Massey Ferguson but now is a GLEANER dealership today. They got the Gleaner line, when a local dealer not to far away closed in the early 2000's when the owners retired. St Clair Wilkerson was the dealer name, they were also an AC dealership at one point and also sold a bunch of Gleaners back in the day. The new dealer that took on Gleaner from this dealer doesn't seem to push the Gleaner brand at all, and have never seen a new Gleaner on their lot.
1.5- 2 hour drive North -east of me is also a Gleaner dealer, they were once an Allis Chalmers dealer, now are a Massey Ferguson/ Gleaner dealership. "Shantz" Equipment in Alma Ontario Canada still sells a few Gleaners here and there. One of the few original dealers left selling Gleaners.
There were more dealers at one point, a few of them are closed up now but a few others are in business still.
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Post by samuelh on Feb 7, 2016 12:36:24 GMT
We had an AC dealer in the local town. There is where the bulk of our Gleaners was sold. They went out of business shortly after the Deutz buy out. As the farmers didn't want to buy the Deutz Green tractors. And they didn't sell enough Gleaners to keep going. However that dealer spot is being used as something else. I think a mower repair shop.
Next we had a White dealer. They started to sell Gleaner after White was bought by Agco. There they sold some Gleaners. Remember seeing the R42/R52s on their lot. Later in early 2000 Agco killed off White in favor of Challenger. So they tried to adapt over to Agco tractors to sell. That didn't go well. As by now most Orange owners didn't want them and already swapped brands many years ago. And due to not many combines was sold. They too had to close the doors. Now that spot is some kind of used car lot.
Used to NC only had 2 Gleaner dealers. Both which was out near the coastal areas where the farms are larger. Now going by Agco's site. We only have 1. This is why Gleaner is loosing customers, no dealer, no sells.
Last few years the locals still buy Gleaners as they love the brand. However they get them through a non-Agco supported business. Its based out near the Virgina border. There this business goes out buys used Gleaners. They go through the combine fixing what is wrong with them. And as long they are not worn slam out. Then resells them to the customer. This is where all our newer Gleaners are coming from. However I'm not sure where the farmers get their parts from. I take it is comes from that seller. So I'm sure he orders parts from somewhere.
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Post by JasonB on Feb 7, 2016 13:30:19 GMT
Yeah, the Duetz fiasco really messed up combine and tractor sales for the local dealers. My local dealer took on Kubota as another product line to support when the Green DA tractors were being sold. It helped them to get through. They were a Versatile dealer up till Ford/ New Holland took over, and since Buhler bought the line, they have returned to selling Versatile tractors.
AGCO has a way of pissing people off, and its not the dealers fault the company can't figure out what color to go with. Then again AC rushed the N series Rotary combines to market quicker then they should have. IH had been working on their Rotary machine longer, as well as New Holland, but there's seemed to work quite well. The Transverse Rotary combine is an exceptional machine today, simple by most other brands, but the N series left a bad taste in farmers mouths. They should have been released a lot later then they were. The N series from 1983 -85 were the best improved machines, but the early ones left a bad reputation in everyone's mouth. The R and R0's were better machines, but guys were still Leary. When DA brought out the R40 and R50 combines, a bunch of them were sold in our area as they were the perfect sized Rotary Gleaner machines. Know of a few R50's still around, rarely any R60's left but maybe a couple. Gleaner Rotaries started gaining ground again in the 90's when the R2 series came out, R42's, R52's and a few R62's were the local dealers best selling machines. Still the damage was done.
Biggest damage that hurt local Gleaner dealers, was Duetz-Allis and Gleaner discontinuing the conventional combine line after 1986. The Gleaner conventional combines were well liked as a ton of guys up here bail straw and the quality of straw was hard to beat coming out of the L2 and L3 combines. Gleaner dropped the Conventional machines, and Deere literally over night took over as the top seller of combines when the 9000 series Maximizers were introduced. 9400 and 9500 Deere's were what replaced a bunch of the Gleaners, except for the guys who went with the Gleaner Rotaries. By the time AGCO and Gleaner realized they missed the boat with the conventional combine market, it was way to late with the C62.
Another decision, most likely by AGCO's management team and not Gleaner directly that hurt Gleaner dealers up here was dropping the short lived R55 class 5 Rotary combine. Lots of guys really liked the R55 sized combine and the local dealer was on the roll selling them, guys had hope Silver combines were on the come back. Then BAM, the R55 Gleaner was dropped and Sales of the Deere 9560STS and Case IH 5088 combines went through the roof. Local Deere dealer sold 10-15 Deere 9560STS class 5 machines alone in one year.... Stupid move AGCO, you missed the boat with that one. Sure there are class 6 Gleaner R65's and so on around here but they are few and far between.
I love the Gleaner combine brand myself, think its a simple and well proven machine, but the fight Gleaner has today is that its an "orphan" brand within the AGCO Corp. The Gleaner line used to be backed up by the AGCO Orange tractors, but since AGCO dropped the Orange tractors for the Challenger yellow machines, Gleaner is left in an unknown zone.
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Post by samuelh on Feb 7, 2016 14:30:24 GMT
I heard many say oh a merger is good. Better sells and more customers. However from what I saw over the years. They fail badly as it hurts the customer base. This is how our AC dealer shut down. Later White shut down. As by then all the orange users had enough and went to a more stable brand. White users did the same. They are like forget this, I too will go with more stable brand. This is why John Deere and NH has gained a lot of ground in my area. Specially John Deere as our most popular brand. Due to dealership net work, stable, and easier to resale/trade in. Back in the day we used to have an IH dealer and Case dealer. After IH sold out to Case. That dealer shut down. Well the Case became CIH dealer, and they stayed around for a few years. After that they too closed. As the IH users didn't like Case in their brand. And same thing with the Case guys.
To me I saw damage from mergers not good. The way Agco has been killing off brands. This is another reason why I would hesitate on buying future equipment from them. I want stability and dealer net work. When we was looking for a newer square baler. I was considering the Hesston. As it would just behind your tractor. So it can take the turns easier and better to transport over the NH and JD balers. But way that brand is, I went with NH.
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Post by JasonB on Feb 7, 2016 15:57:36 GMT
Yeah, I don't know what the future of the Gleaner brand will be, they seem to be pushing hard on the transverse Rotary Gleaner harder then the MF or Challenger combine. Gleaner is doing a great job of advertising and marketing the combine. You don't really see all the road show video's for the MF or Challenger combine.
Guys are still scared of the Gleaner combines, yet AGCO seems to be gaining ground with the Fendt tractors and MF in some areas up here.
Id like to see more GLEANERS around, but sadly keep seeing them getting traded for 1 reason or the other, likely because of their dealer or parts is an issue. Know of Case IH dealer up here that has a low Hour Gleaner S77 sitting on their lot on trade. Been on the lot for 2 years now, they can't seem to sell it, its a 2011 model so its now 5 years old. Great machine but everyone won't give them a chance... Then again I don't think AGCO gives a damn what happens to Gleaner. I never did like the current CEO of AGCO, its time they get new leadership.
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